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I found these 2 on a bit of pasture I have permission to.
The field is used for equestrian events, so has been contaminated with that rubber / fibre padding they spread around near the jumps. This is full if tiny bits of copper, so detecting is not great.
Anyway these 2 did come up.
A hammered penny, badly clipped that looks like it had a silver coating,? I’m not sure if this come through on the photos.
I’m not holding out any hope for an ID
And a copper coin/token.
I can see the letters givs and some laurel leaves on one side and a standing figure holding a staff on the other.
Any ideas gratefully received.
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The first looks like a miss struck George I dump farthing to me like this one https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces13080.html

On the hammered - are you sure it just doesn’t need a clean? A little soak in distilled water might shift it. Or, if you are feeling braver, a lemon solution for a short time? I think it’s a Bishop Lawrence Edward IV penny but I could be very, very wrong!
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Oxgirl wrote:
Mon Oct 11, 2021 1:26 pm
The first looks like a miss struck George I dump farthing to me like this one https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces13080.html
It is wafer thin, as thin as a hammered coin. Would a bump farthing erode to be this thin and still have detail on both sides?
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shaggybfc wrote:
Mon Oct 11, 2021 1:34 pm
Oxgirl wrote:
Mon Oct 11, 2021 1:26 pm
The first looks like a miss struck George I dump farthing to me like this one https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces13080.html
It is wafer thin, as thin as a hammered coin. Would a bump farthing erode to be this thin and still have detail on both sides?
Hmmm they aren’t wafer thin normally. I guess it could be a forgery but why bother forging farthings? It can’t be a George II cause the laurel wreath wouldn’t be just below the ‘ius’. Maybe I’m barking up the wrong tree though - let’s see what the more knowledgeable say :thumbsup:
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Edward III York penny.

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Oxgirl wrote:
Mon Oct 11, 2021 1:26 pm
Or, if you are feeling braver, a lemon solution for a short time?
I don't have any lemon juice, would lemon curd work? :lol: :lol:
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Allectus wrote:
Mon Oct 11, 2021 1:41 pm
Edward III York penny.

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Thanks Allectus :thumbsup:
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shaggybfc wrote:
Mon Oct 11, 2021 1:46 pm
Oxgirl wrote:
Mon Oct 11, 2021 1:26 pm
Or, if you are feeling braver, a lemon solution for a short time?
I don't have any lemon juice, would lemon curd work? :lol: :lol:
Maybe :lol:
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