Buried war badges with gun photos.

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Emily
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Good evening all!!

So, it’s the first time I’ve been out in a little while, and although I have a few options, my wellies have a split, so I had to choose wisely. I decided that ploughed fields were out unless I wanted mud covered toes, and waterlogged socks, so instead, I tried an area that I hadn’t been in before. A neighbours garden that also doubles as a small flood plain. It’s small. Probably only 1/4 acre, and has a main road running along it. I wasn’t sure what I was going to find, if anything, and my expectations ranged from building scrap to general rubbish as the house had a large extension a few years back. However, I was pleasantly surprised by what came up. Only a couple of bits of rubbish, and the rest, you can see for yourself. 🥰🥰

What I was saddened to find was a collection of badges from WWI buried together. The reasons for them to be buried, no one knows, but around a metre away was a button from the Warwickshire Regt. I’m thinking it was moved around by moles as their garden is covered in mole hills and separated from the badges. Does anyone have any thoughts about why they were buried??

Does anyone have any ideas on how to remove rust?? I found a tiny gun with corrosion on the top and a portion of buckle?? It has amazing detail, but is coated thickly in rust obscuring the pattern.

It was an unexpected run of finds, but you never know what can be found in the smallest of places.
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Interesting finds, Emily.
T5 Glosters, 5th Territorial Battalion Gloucester Regiment.
The Gloster badge without T5, do you think that piece has snapped off, so that there was originally a pair ?
The corner of the large frame also looks interesting.
Looking forward to what others have to say.
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Thats interesting Emily
At first my brain said "Gloucester" is not the correct spelling, but on research i found that the Gloucestshire regiment were known as the "Glosters"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloucestershire_Regiment

Do you think they were buried or maybe were attached to clothing that has long since rotted away?
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Well found.

Bottom left looks like a Grenadiers Guards badge an infantry regiment of the British Army.
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Thats very interesting Emily. I wonder did someone bury their uniform :|
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Dave The Slave wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2020 6:57 pm Interesting finds, Emily.
T5 Glosters, 5th Territorial Battalion Gloucester Regiment.
The Gloster badge without T5, do you think that piece has snapped off, so that there was originally a pair ?
The corner of the large frame also looks interesting.
Looking forward to what others have to say.
Well done on getting out. :thumbsup:
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Hi Dave,

It might’ve had a T5 on it, but if it did, it left no mark. Maybe it was a more basic badge and the one with the T5 might’ve been presented once he’s been sorted into his official regiment/battalion??
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Blackadder43 wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2020 7:03 pm Thats interesting Emily
At first my brain said "Gloucester" is not the correct spelling, but on research i found that the Gloucestshire regiment were known as the "Glosters"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloucestershire_Regiment

Do you think they were buried or maybe were attached to clothing that has long since rotted away?
I couldn’t tell you I’m afraid. There weren’t any fabric fragments left, and as they’re so well preserved, I would’ve thought there would be something, even if it was just scraps. I’m thinking it was just the badges.
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Doug wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2020 7:16 pm Well found.

Bottom left looks like a Grenadiers Guards badge an infantry regiment of the British Army.
These badges seem to contradict themselves, all being from different locations Gloucestershire, Warwickshire but found in Oxfordshire...and the badges are for ordnance and supply, and one for the infantry....do you think he was promoted or just moved around??
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Saki wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2020 7:24 pm Thats very interesting Emily. I wonder did someone bury their uniform :|
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There wasn’t any evidence of fabric. Nothing caught in the badge holes or remnants in the dirt. I’m thinking it was just the badges.
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Hi Emily,

I know this sounds ridiculous, and your tiny gun is probably a cigarette lighter or spud gun but tiny does not mean it isn't a real gun. There are plenty of very tiny guns from the past and present chambered for the short .22 round. Before you go poking around or scraping off the rust please double check, or even post more pictures if you like. I would much rather it's me who ends up blushing!

Please don't worry and I don't want to make much of this but for everyone else:

If you find a gun (pistol or rifle) that obviously looks like a real one you need to tell the police as you can't own it, or have it in your possession, until they say so - and they will almost certainly say no.
Even if it's rusty and you think it won't fire it's still considered a firearm and needs handing in.
Even rusty guns may still contain live rounds!

There are plenty of rules around this but the simple advice is, if you find a gun in any condition that looks real - call the police and let them pick it up from you - preferably from where you found it.

Emily, apologies for hijacking your post - good finds by the way.
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Nice finds. I guess we'll never really know why they were buried. I once found a cap badge in someone's front garden, I wondered if a child had played with and lost it? Another time I found three of the same badge stacked together at about 8" deep on pasture, the mind boggles at possible reasons! :thumbsup:
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Some nice Military history Emily. I once read medals and other associated items were buried to forget about the atrocities they have seen and start a new chapter without being reminded.
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coal digger wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2020 9:07 pm Some nice Military history Emily. I once read medals and other associated items were buried to forget about the atrocities they have seen and start a new chapter without being reminded.
That’s a very possible reason for their burial. I’m not sure the owner saw direct battle from zthe badges what were buried, but I’m sure whatever he experienced was bad enough.
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Very interesting mix of finds and I agree , the smallest of places can throw up some gems . I tend to agree with Dave P regarding the gun , it does look like it could be a cigarrette lighter but best play it safe and get it checked out prior to cleaning .
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Great finds there Emily,
You haven't found Fred's old uniform have you? :lol:
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