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Quote Paul,...." but I personally think the letter will fall on deaf ears."

Funnily enough when I read that letter , my first thought that came to my mind was " that`ll get screwed into a ball and go straight in the Bin " with an ever so polite "sorry but no chance " But who knows ,stranger things have happened at Sea. .:lol:
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I suppose you have to consider how much risk an activity poses. Does it use communal facilities for instance? Is it a team activity? Detecting on the face of it is certainly one of the safest activities as pointed out in the NCMD's letter. However most people drive to and from their permissions, and that journey, even if it's relatedly short, increases the chance of interacting with others such as when calling at a shop or buying fuel.

What irks me about the English regulations is that detecting is effectively banned, but you can legally travel from say London to the Cotswolds to go walking or cycling...

With this new more contagious variant of Covid now spreading like wildfire, maybe the Government needs to be fine tuning and leveling the restrictions across the board to deal with the huge gaps that presently exist...
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Well some detectorists still think they can go out. I had a phone call this afternoon from the Farm Manager of an estate i have access to. He asked if i had given the ok to two detectorists he had seen on one of the fields - i sometimes invite friends along to search ,but i always contact him first before going on.

A definite no was my answer plus the fact that no one is allowed to detect under lockdown. Seems this pair of poachers had been detecting the week before. My advice was to contact the Police and i just hope they have caught them.

Makes me so angry that i am following the rules whilst others dont give a toss. :thumbdown:
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Pete E wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 3:12 pm <cut>

What irks me about the English regulations is that detecting is effectively banned, but you can legally travel from say London to the Cotswolds to go walking or cycling...

With this new more contagious variant of Covid now spreading like wildfire, maybe the Government needs to be fine tuning and leveling the restrictions across the board to deal with the huge gaps that presently exist...
Not the case. You are meant to stay local for taking exercise.

Living in the Cotswolds I can assure you that the local police forces are rightly sending people back home if they have travelled to the area, fines have also been issued.

The police have actually increased the number of patrols covering the beauty spots most frequented by tourists and walkers checking for anybody from out of the area.

In one case they found that the people had driven up from London were actually in an untaxed car with no MOT so they also seized it :thumbsup: :thumbsup: (the police tweeted that it would be a long walk home :rollinglaughing: :rollinglaughing: )

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Perhaps Fred Dinenage , her father and news presenter etc ,needs to do a news report on the solitude and peacefulness of detecting.
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Saffron wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:14 pm
Not the case. You are meant to stay local for taking exercise.
No, read the story about the two ladies fined in Derbyshire for travelling (desperate cars) 5 miles to exercise at a beauty spot. The are having their fines refunded..

It seems that the Government guidance is "Stay Local" for exercise but in the actual laws passed by Parliament there is no restriction of distance.

New guidance has now been sent to the English Police forces to clarify that, and all fines issued during the last few days are being reviewed on that basis.
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Just had an update on the poachers. The Manager caught up with them as they were leaving the field so he followed them home and will be passing details onto the Rural Crime Police Officer for a visit.

Hopefully they will be getting an early morning knock on the door with a Police warrant to search for stolen items. :thumbsup:
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Pete E wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 6:40 pm No, read the story about the two ladies fined in Derbyshire for travelling (desperate cars) 5 miles to exercise at a beauty spot. The are having their fines refunded..

It seems that the Government guidance is "Stay Local" for exercise but in the actual laws passed by Parliament there is no restriction of distance.

New guidance has now been sent to the English Police forces to clarify that, and all fines issued during the last few days are being reviewed on that basis.
“UK Government guidance strongly requests that people do not leave their local area. However, the Covid Regulations which officers enforce and which enables them to issue FPNs for breaches, do not restrict the distance travelled for exercise."

https://www.derbyshiretimes.co.uk/news/ ... te-3090662
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Easylife wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 7:10 pm “UK Government guidance strongly requests that people do not leave their local area. However, the Covid Regulations which officers enforce and which enables them to issue FPNs for breaches, do not restrict the distance travelled for exercise."

https://www.derbyshiretimes.co.uk/news/ ... te-3090662
It's a ridiculous situation that could easily be avoided had the law simply stated a distance and then applied that benchmark through out the legislation.

Wales has been in a higher level of lock down since before Christmas, and although things are quieter on the roads than pre Covid, they are no where near as quiet as during the first lockdown. It is also shameful the number of people I know of who broke the regulations to go out to parties ect over Christmas and New Year..
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Pete E wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 7:37 pm It's a ridiculous situation that could easily be avoided had the law simply stated a distance and then applied that benchmark through out the legislation.

Wales has been in a higher level of lock down since before Christmas, and although things are quieter on the roads than pre Covid, they are no where near as quiet as during the first lockdown. It is also shameful the number of people I know of who broke the regulations to go out to parties ect over Christmas and New Year..
Plenty of that going going on up here also . My Wife is a care worker and most of her rounds are in the local market Town and each day was no different than any other pre covid day , it was as if nobody cared . :thumbdown:
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In Derbyshire there were police in numbers at many popular locations just waiting to hand out fines to most that turned up for a walk to excercise. Yes we know that they were in the wrong and they now have to repay most fines but just what a blatant waste of manpower at tax payers expense! I find it quite shocking really. :shock:
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It would be so simply to state a maximum distance that we can travel from home to do our daily excise. But to keep us in the dark keep's us in fear of the consequences of our action's this as been the tactic since the first lock down .
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tone wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 1:42 am It would be so simply to state a maximum distance that we can travel from home to do our daily excise. But to keep us in the dark keep's us in fear of the consequences of our action's this as been the tactic since the first lock down .
The rule makers being poiticians won't commit to any specifics as usual, but I think they are just really saying to everyone just apply common sense and all will be fine, of which it should be normally. But the big problem is all the folks that just have no common sense at all to apply in the first place. I feel that maybe public tolerence levels could be tested quite soon and if that happens things could then get quite grim. Sorry, but just being realistic, we're accellerating into a downward spiral, and history does tend to repeat itself!
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tone wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 1:42 am It would be so simply to state a maximum distance that we can travel from home to do our daily excise. But to keep us in the dark keep's us in fear of the consequences of our action's this as been the tactic since the first lock down .
And there would be another problem. OK if you are walking but what about those cyclists that cycle 10 or 20 miles in an outing? Or those that do a 15 mile run? The super fit lycra cyclists would not be happy with a 5 mile limit. Same with a limit of 1 hour. If you want to do a 10 mile walk, it will take more than an hour. What ever they do, someone will complain it doesn't fit what they are doing. And if your permission was 6 miles away? Or 7 or 10? How far would you push it?
Easylife wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 12:26 pm It seems that some would rather everyone was imprisoned in their houses than free to safely go outside. I completely agree that folks should stay at home apart from essential trips which includes exercise.
This is exactly what the government are asking you to do. Not go out unless it is absolutely necessary, treat yourself as if you have the virus. Go out for exercise as in walking, running or cycling within your local area only. That is common sense. It doesn't matter what others are doing as long as you do whats right. Too easy to play the its not fair, look what they are doing, if they can do that then I must be able to do this. This virus will not go away unless people apply that common sense and stay at home for a few weeks. It does kill people.

Your interpretation of common sense is different to mine which is different to others. And that is why the infection rates continue to rise as everyone is doing what they want whether it is right or or not.
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TheFenTiger wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 11:54 am Too easy to play the its not fair, look what they are doing, if they can do that then I must be able to do this.

Your interpretation of common sense is different to mine.
Please don't make things up Dave, I do not agree with the above nor did I say that at all.
My common sense is a person staying safe in whatever they do even if it happens to be taking a step outside their house. :-o
It's absolutely fine with me that you have a different view so can we leave it at that please. :thumbsup:
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