My best ever Artefact, and i nearly didnt dig it, a lesson learned

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Most detectors nowadays have digital screens where different finds come in at different numbers, which we learn as we go, for example on my Whites V3, shotgun caps always come in at 42, but i still dig them as it could be something else, though alas not yet,

As said i always dig them as a lesson learned, back in the very early noughties [2000s] I had a Whites 6000 XL PRO, the detector had a graph like screen [pic below] when hitting a target, the needle pointer thingy would zero in on the graph,

I was digging 4 hole buttons like loads of them and every signal latched on to the same number on the graph, I was getting fed up as you do, every signal being a button, so walked away from the area, only to get another signal with the same reading, I said something along the lines of sod that :pulling hair out: and walked away not digging it, then thought mmm it might be something else, so walked back and dug it,

To say i was overwhelmed is a understatement, pulling up this superb 2nd C Roman Umbonate brooch, complete with pin and still had a piece of cloth attached to it, the FLO was more excited with the cloth :lol: I have found some awesome finds over the years, but this still ranks the number one, I have sold a lot of things over the years [needs must] but could not ever sell this and often think i will donate it to a Museum,

As the old saying goes, if in doubt Dig it :thumbsup:
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Great story Mick.
No doubt that the FLO, was more excited about the cloth as that would be extremely rare.
Must be in the minority as i tend to dig every signal apart from a 99. Then again i do use a fair bit of Discrimination due to time constraints.
Cheers, :thumbsup:
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Dave The Slave wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 4:00 pm Great story Mick.
No doubt that the FLO, was more excited about the cloth as that would be extremely rare.
Must be in the minority as i tend to dig every signal apart from a 99. Then again i do use a fair bit of Discrimination due to time constraints.
Cheers, :thumbsup:
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Cheers, I run my current detector wide open, sounds more like a minelab than a whites :lol:
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A very special find. :thumbsup:
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Blimey, Mick, that's a bit special. Cracking find :thumbsup:

On my best permission virtually all ancient bronze has an iron buzz to it when in the ground and I've frequently walked away from what I "know" is a dodgy signal where the iron buzz is higher than I'd like. I've stopped, walked back and dug them a few times but so far nothing has turned up and I was right to walk away.

But looking at what you turned up...

Think I'll dig everything in future :D
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With my deus, with my settings and to my ears, every cut quarter I have found has sounded like a tatty little bit of foil.

I dig everything I'm not 100% sure is iron, and I generally dig that too on new land until I have a feel for how it behaves on there.
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That's such a stunning find Mick, quite a rarity for most folks I imagine. :thumbsup:
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Jamesey1981 wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 5:12 pm With my deus, with my settings and to my ears, every cut quarter I have found has sounded like a tatty little bit of foil.

I dig everything I'm not 100% sure is iron, and I generally dig that too on new land until I have a feel for how it behaves on there.
I must admit iv not always learned my lesson, foil on my detector always comes in low numbers like around 7 whereas most if not all of my hammered have come in at 9+ every time i get that number 7 its bloody foil, as to iron i still dig it now and then even though it shows on my screen its iron but doesnt sound like it, Many years ago I was on a weekender and digging down the best part of 2 feet, feeling a tad embarrassed at the time people looking over at me maybe thinking what the hell is he doing, so filled the hole in and went off to another field, later on i heard several bronze age axe heads had come up :cry: :cry: Iv often wondered should i have carried on digging :? in hindsight yes, it could of been a plough share but then again i will never know, I think with the modern day detectors we tend to look at the numbers instead of using our ears
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Jamesey1981 wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 5:12 pm With my deus, with my settings and to my ears, every cut quarter I have found has sounded like a tatty little bit of foil.
Same here, which is why I dig a lot of foil :lol: But I can't afford not to.
muddy mick wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 1:30 am with the modern day detectors we tend to look at the numbers instead of using our ears
I think that's largely true. Personally, my ears make the decision to dig or not and then I look at the numbers to see what I might be digging.
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What happened to the fabric?? Did it deteriorate due to the oxygen in the air??
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Emily wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 9:20 am What happened to the fabric?? Did it deteriorate due to the oxygen in the air??
Great question - I want to know that too please :thumbsup:

Love these stories. The dig/ don’t dig question is one of the things that I find fascinating and which we all grapple with. I know on one field that every Roman bronze coin sounded very irony but I was trying out a new coil, no other land was available and so I dug every one. It was very useful as I know I can ignore that sound now ;)

One of my favourite finds of 2020 was a large copper heraldic shield mount that was around 10” down. I only dug it after going over the find spot on 3 other occasions over one weekend - it sounded deep and it sounded like iron. But it sounded like iron with a high toned finish, almost the opposite of the usual sound you get when you find an iron ring and the give away irony finish to a ‘dig me’ signal. It was very dry, the ground was really hard work to dig so I only got my spade into action cause I’d played a game with myself that I had to dig 3 more targets before I went home and this was a few feet from the gate to the car. Just showed me I should not be so dismissive!

Right now I’d be happy to just dig 4 hole buttons :roll:
Yes I really don’t like Roman coins, I’m not joking
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I am sure that the vast bulk of us on here have walked over good targets and ignored them thinking that they were rubbish :pulling hair out: :pulling hair out:

Before getting the Nox I used a Makro Racer 2 (a good reliabe machine), but I knew that ringpulls came in at 38 so often would ignore a signal with a TID of 38, especially if on a beach.

One day I was asked to try and find a gold ring that a gentleman had lost, but not having found gold before and more importantly on a hot summers day not wanting to dig up all his garden I asked on a forum what TID a gold ring would give on the Racer 2 ..... yes you guessed 38 - exactly the same as ring pulls :shock: :shock:

I never found the gold ring, (the gentleman was not even sure he had lost it in the garden as he had been in to town as well). But after that I did dig a lot more ringpulls to be on the safe side.

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ps: should have said "Cracking find there Muddy Mick, well done"
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Oxgirl wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 9:45 am The dig/ don’t dig question is one of the things that I find fascinating.
Me too! :D
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Great story and stunning Brooch :clapping:

For me I find that question comes into play near the end of my session in the field
Its due i think to my brain getting tired of being bombarded with noise and having signals to interpret for hours, so it tries to ignore some of the more iffy ones to save its energy
I know i have walked away from some signals because i have labelled it "definate foil" etc.....but after seeing that Brooch i need to reconsider that idea :thumbsup:
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Oxgirl wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 9:45 am Great question - I want to know that too please :thumbsup:

Love these stories. The dig/ don’t dig question is one of the things that I find fascinating and which we all grapple with. I know on one field that every Roman bronze coin sounded very irony but I was trying out a new coil, no other land was available and so I dug every one. It was very useful as I know I can ignore that sound now ;)

One of my favourite finds of 2020 was a large copper heraldic shield mount that was around 10” down. I only dug it after going over the find spot on 3 other occasions over one weekend - it sounded deep and it sounded like iron. But it sounded like iron with a high toned finish, almost the opposite of the usual sound you get when you find an iron ring and the give away irony finish to a ‘dig me’ signal. It was very dry, the ground was really hard work to dig so I only got my spade into action cause I’d played a game with myself that I had to dig 3 more targets before I went home and this was a few feet from the gate to the car. Just showed me I should not be so dismissive!

Right now I’d be happy to just dig 4 hole buttons :roll:
No idea what happened to it to be honest, probably laying in the archives of York museum somewhere, She... Caenwenn the FLO was over the moon with it, though she left a bit later
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