Lead sundial?

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I found this intriguing lead/alloy item which is maybe kind of sundial like but cannot find reference to anything quite similar. It is 44mm diameter and 3mm thick. It has cast raised central pin and three indentations of which two pairs are equidistant as if to locate another part maybe? Any thoughts?
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You have been finding some intriguing items lately fella...
A small sundial is plausible for this, but i'll let the more expert in the ID field have a go :thumbsup:

I am also impressed though when you click one of your photos, not only do they come up crystal clear and larger, but you can scroll back and forth between the 3 you have posted :thumbsup:
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Blackadder43 wrote: Sun Jul 19, 2020 12:54 pm You have been finding some intriguing items lately fella...
Yes, it is proving to be an interesting field of unexpected surprises.
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Blimey, that's different. Not convinced the outer ring is comprised of Roman numerals and the raised central pin and three depressions isn't what you'd expect for a gnomon (pointy-uppy bit). Maybe something could be mounted on the pin and moved round to three different positions using the locating lugs?

Cracking find, whatever it is :thumbsup:
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figgis wrote: Sun Jul 19, 2020 1:09 pm Blimey, that's different. Not convinced the outer ring is comprised of Roman numerals and the raised central pin and three depressions isn't what you'd expect for a gnomon (pointy-uppy bit). Maybe something could be mounted on the pin and moved round to three different positions using the locating lugs?

Cracking find, whatever it is :thumbsup:
The outer ring seems to be decorated with zigzags whilst the inner has about 45 crude segments so maybe also likely just decoration?. :?
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Well I'm still none the wiser about this find 8 months later as two different FLO's have failed to respond at all. :thumbdown:
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Love it but I have no idea what it is. That ain’t helpful is it!
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Very unusual find...I can't say I have seen exactly the same thing, but if you look at a quality made modern domino, they have a small raised pin in the centre exactly like that...I think it's there to protect the face and make the dominos easier to shuffle/mix when they are turned face down on a table...

So with that in mind and also noting the the three small indents on yours, I am going to have a guess that it's a gaming piece of some sort....
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Well a mould was made to cast it so guess there would have been others made too? Perhaps just a small local batch? :Thinking:
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Easylife wrote: Thu Mar 18, 2021 11:47 am Well a mould was made to cast it so guess there would have been others made too? Perhaps just a small local batch? :Thinking:
I am guessing they would cast the main body and then add the indents by hand afterwards? Obviously not a domino as such, but the similarities are striking even down to the "dots" being in the form of indents so they don't wear off....
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Do a Google images search on "Roman Lead Gaming Counter" and you will see some very similar items although I can't t see any with the pin in the centre????
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Found a similar item few years ago, it was recorded as “Unkown”

But would think yours a gaming counter perhaps, could be also something of an occult thing, magical dark ages or renaissance period object

Lead difficult to put an age to as all lead items

Here’s the item I found
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Easylife wrote: Sun Jul 19, 2020 12:38 pm I found this intriguing lead/alloy item which is maybe kind of sundial like but cannot find reference to anything quite similar. It is 44mm diameter and 3mm thick. It has cast raised central pin and three indentations of which two pairs are equidistant as if to locate another part maybe? Any thoughts?
I reckon its a toy watch or clock Easy, the pin may have held the hands. Maybe not from the best toyshop in the village but I think thats what it is :thumbsup:
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alloverover wrote: Thu Mar 18, 2021 7:54 pm I reckon its a toy watch or clock Easy, the pin may have held the hands. Maybe not from the best toyshop in the village but I think thats what it is :thumbsup:
I'm with Alloverover and the toy watch or clock , I know this one I found is not as old but was told it was teaching aid for learning to tell the time or a toy clock ,and can see some similarities.
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