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This came up at last knockings and I thought it might be a silver. Foil and spit test is negative but feels right
Diameter 25mm.
Weight 4.5g.

The only detail is the stamped P W although the P is short and the W not fully stamped.
No holes for a dog tag.

Any physically possible ideas appreciated.
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It has to be a William III shilling? So will be silver. :thumbsup:
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shaggybfc wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:07 pm It has to be a William III shilling? So will be silver. :thumbsup:
The right facing bust doesn't look like him or any other I'm familiar with so maybe foreign.
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It looks along the lines of this 10 kreuzer.
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces31537.html
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Easylife wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:42 pm It looks along the lines of this 10 kreuzer.
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces31537.html
Well that would have been nice although this one is a bit heavy.
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Just wondering if the P W is a countermark to agree to a useable value for a worn out coin within a community or between local traders.
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Maybe a pic of the reverse would help?
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Easylife wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:06 pm Maybe a pic of the reverse would help?
Nothing on the reverse - I've been trying to find even the slightest detail.

On the obverse, just below and to the right of the W is a small, raised bar. It's not pushed through from the other side so how did it get there?
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DaveP wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 7:47 pm The only detail is the stamped P W.
So do you not see the actual worn bust at all Chris? It's just too complete to be coincidence and also shows in your second pic! That's why the PW is stamped where it is in correct orientation. :thumbsup:
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Easylife wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:50 pm
So do you not see the actual worn bust at all Chris? It's just too complete to be coincidence and also shows in your second pic! That's why the PW is stamped where it is in correct orientation. :thumbsup:
Yes, I do - it's more obvious in the picture than in the hand but clearly there. Agree the P.W is in the right orientation for the bust but other counter marked coins on the web, and others I have, are more randomly stamped. The bar to the lower right of the W is raised - so not sure how that's been produced.
Oh well, another mystery to go back to the land owner.
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Surely identifying the bust is key and PW secondary?
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Finding why PW is on the coin could possibly prove very difficult if its not been done for any official reason, because anyone in the coins lifetime could have stamped their initials on it for no particular reason even . I`ve outlined the bust anyway.
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Had a search this morning but no luck on an ID - enough time spent and time to consign it to the mystery box when it goes back........along with all the other mystery bits.
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Looks like a king Billy 😁
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