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Afternoon all, just had this livery button up on some land I'm working on between Luton and Hitchin, can anyone I D it ?

Would be nice to let the guy know whilst I'm here and haven't really got the time to look at the moment :thumbsup:
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Had a look at a couple of sites but can't find a match so far. Lots of "arm embowed" but that shield is elusive.

I'm wondering if that's an M at the top of the shield, which might prove helpful?
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figgis wrote: Mon Jul 05, 2021 5:47 pm Had a look at a couple of sites but can't find a match so far. Lots of "arm embowed" but that shield is elusive.

I'm wondering if that's an M at the top of the shield, which might prove helpful?
Cheers John :thumbsup: , I think the M is what they call a Label, not 100% sure on that though , had another interseting find today also. Will post it up in a bit :thumbsup:
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I can't find anything about it, looks like a double name with two family's married, the M looking thing on the shield top is a cadency mark for the eldest son & the flower looking bits look like Ermin skins, the limp arm would normally be the female back then, but nowadays could be a bloke as well!
Lovely button Phil, well done mate.
Clint :thumbsup:
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stanslad wrote: Mon Jul 05, 2021 8:02 pm I can't find anything about it, looks like a double name with two family's married, the M looking thing on the shield top is a cadency mark for the eldest son & the flower looking bits look like Ermin skins, the limp arm would normally be the female back then, but nowadays could be a bloke as well!
Lovely button Phil, well done mate.
Clint :thumbsup:
Cheers for all the info Clint, its not somethig that I am very well up on too be honest, cheers mate, hope things are going OK :thumbsup:
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That's a nice one, but quite elusive. :thumbsup:
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Easylife wrote: Mon Jul 05, 2021 9:17 pm That's a nice one, but quite elusive. :thumbsup:
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Cheers Easy 👍
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I tried to help but my research went nowhere :( .

Beautiful button though. Don’t see many in that condition!
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stanslad wrote: Mon Jul 05, 2021 8:02 pm the limp arm would normally be the female back then, but nowadays could be a bloke as well!
Lovely button Phil, well done mate.
Clint :thumbsup:
Is that for real Clint?
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What sort of age are we talking here as the arm has armour on it, which i find a bit unusual if it is supposed to denote a females arm in a family crest from a few hundred years ago.
But then i suppose in a long line of the family, the crest and designs would be passed down through the ages for the family
Maybe a family descended from Boudica's time....ok ok i'll get me coat as my imagination has just exceeded its daily allowance :lol:

Great condition though on this one, you have some finds friendly land it seems Allover
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Judging by the good condition and the remaining plating it is likely a late one which often seem to be unlisted. The family crest should still be identifiable though and then a bit of research to make the limp arm connection, though likely a very time consuming task. Probably quite local. :thumbsup:
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Cheers Guys and Gals, I found the button in what is part of somebodys garden, a big garden but a garden nonetheless, same place as the early medieval pendant thingy, a couple of bits that lok like pilgrim badge fragments and a 15th century buckle, had an hour or so on there today, loads of signals but nothing great, Greorgian copper, pound coin and loads of buttons.
That was my last chance today, hopefully onto pastures new next week :thumbsup:
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Easylife wrote: Tue Jul 06, 2021 9:17 pm Judging by the good condition and the remaining plating it is likely a late one which often seem to be unlisted. The family crest should still be identifiable though and then a bit of research to make the limp arm connection, though likely a very time consuming task. Probably quite local. :thumbsup:
Not sure Easy, its not been ploughed about so could be an earlyish one, not seen the backmark before, W.M DAWSON BEDFORD :thumbsup:
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alloverover wrote: Wed Jul 07, 2021 6:13 pm Not seen the backmark before, W.M DAWSON, BEDFORD.
He appears to have been a tailor in the mid 1800's.
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Easylife wrote: Wed Jul 07, 2021 10:39 pm He appears to have been a tailor in the mid 1800's.
So an earlyish button then .
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alloverover wrote: Wed Jul 07, 2021 10:53 pm So an earlyish button then .
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Maybe more of a mid to late. I would class early livery buttons as being 18th century.
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