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Pete E wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:05 pm
Does that mean the Region's have a block vote on members behalf and that block size is determined by membership within the Region?
No it has no reference to the number of members in each region. In fact the regional membership in total is a minority but have 8 of the 9 votes. The independent clubs and independent individual detectorists, between them, get 1 vote but are the majority of members. Hopefully that will be looked at soon. The issue will then be that you need the regions to vote in that change. As it will reduce their voting power so you can imagine how that will go down!

Considering the fuss the regions have made to a few small changes to the constitution that really were tiny, that might be difficult to do :?
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"A message from the General Secretary and the Communications officer of the NCMD to all members.

It is with much regret that we make this announcement, however, after months of suffering social media public abuse and latterly more personal abuse and threats, we have both decided to resign as we feel that it’s time someone else filled these Officer positions.
We have, since our appointments to these positions worked tirelessly to help the other Officers to improve the NCMD, often to the detriment of our family lives. This has always been done on a voluntary basis without any expectation of pay.
We are proud of what the team have achieved in the last 18 months including promoting responsible detecting, building strong healthy links with the DCMS and PAS and introducing the emergency excavation fund. It is with regret that we’ve not been able to deliver the new website before we leave but, even in the early stages of development, it is already looking really exciting and we leave the next stages of development in very capable hands.
A massive thank you to the members who posted messages supporting us, it was hugely appreciated.
Tribute must be paid to all the other officers, in particular Alastair Hacket (President) a dedicated, respected, and dignified individual, who has also worked for many years without time boundaries, and purely on a voluntary basis.
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It's a shame that it's come to this. Unfortunately when rats are backed into a corner, they turn vicious. There's no need for personal attacks, threats and general bully-boy tactics. Their true colours have been shown.
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It is a real shame. So much progress has been made in the last year or so. Seems some people would rather go backwards instead of forwards. This is all at the detriment to the majority of the membership who have absolutely no say in the direction of the organisation. There needs to be a radical overhaul to the way the NCMD is run and it is pretty obvious this will never be allowed to happen.
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Maybe time for an alternative more forward thinking organisation to be formed?
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Part of the problem that has driven this split is that more folk are "voiceless members" of the CTR than the regions.
I`ll hazard a guess 70%+ are on the CTR rather than in a genuine/bricks and mortar clubs and therefore not represented by the regions.
Yet the regions can hold back the entire organisation and hamper change.
And therein lies the problems AND the solution.

The regions should be more accommodating of individuals and "social media clubs" .
Then they would be talking for the majority of hobbyists in their region. but that requires change..... a modernised regional format.
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Another problem with the regional format is that someone can get voted in with little or no opposition as the candidates seem to be vetted and they then can stay in position for a long time with a dead mans shoes scenario. There should be more opportunity for the members to have a vote and say. As a central member I have neither as nothing is communicated to me and there is no mechanism to allow that to happen.
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jcmaloney wrote: Tue Aug 24, 2021 1:00 pm Part of the problem that has driven this split is that more folk are "voiceless members" of the CTR than the regions.
I`ll hazard a guess 70%+ are on the CTR rather than in a genuine/bricks and mortar clubs and therefore not represented by the regions.
Yet the regions can hold back the entire organisation and hamper change.
And therein lies the problems AND the solution.

The regions should be more accommodating of individuals and "social media clubs" .
Then they would be talking for the majority of hobbyists in their region. but that requires change..... a modernised regional format.
Well said. :clapping: :clapping:
It would certainly be interesting to see the exact percentage split between the individual regions and the Central Register members. As you say, maybe 70-80% from the CTR, would put the regions firmly in the minority
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shaggybfc wrote: Tue Aug 24, 2021 1:55 pm Well said. :clapping: :clapping:
It would certainly be interesting to see the exact percentage split between the individual regions and the Central Register members. As you say, maybe 70-80% from the CTR, would put the regions firmly in the minority
As it stands at the moment you have have a small number of regions who have elected members who decide what is best for the organisation as they have a mandate. The fact they don't actually tell their members what they plan to do and form alliances which is then used as a veto is not good for an organisation. It gives a lot of power to a very small number of individuals who then justify their actions with misinformation, speculation and out right lies. Added to the fact they say they know what it best as they have been in the position for 40 years does nothing but prevent progress.

I only know who represents the region I am in due to a recent press release. The fact I cannot join my region means I get to know nothing and have no way to have a say from a regional perspective. The central register has 1 representative vote. How are they elected? What do they actually do for the majority if they never communicate with the people they are representing?
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Basically, the whole shebang needs a rapid and extensive overhaul. That a few individuals could cause the sort of havoc they have under the present system is as ridiculous as it is unsustainable. Things have moved on massively since the inception of the NCMD constitution and a rethink is long overdue.
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Hope the link works...
https://jedwalker1.wixsite.com/facts/copy-of-home

Its reaching some sort of stand-off which helps nobody. :(
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It’s unfortunate but there seems to be a certain amount of maturity lacking on both sides of this argument.I understand the arguments but don’t understand why there can’t be any mediation and it would appear that the executive haven’t been entirely honest nor the regions entirely reasonable.
The NCMD needs to modernise,re write it’s constitution and grow up,rather than airing its dirty clothes in public.
The executive is partly responsible for this situation,the 4 regions haven’t helped but to make the NCMD a truly democratic organisation each member should have a vote and maybe there should be one on this to settle this matter for once and for all.
Just to make it clear I’m not taking sides.
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It just stinks! :thumbdown:
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Having full knowledge of exactly what went on I can assure you the Jed Walker article is so full of untruths and inaccuracies it is laughable. Never has Jed tried to get the other side of the story - hardly good journalism!

The NCMD needs modernising and it was being done. One vote per member was being planned (some regions unsurprisingly don’t like that) and still is. But what does that do? Yes it undermines the supreme power of a few individuals in regions. The same individuals who objected to any suggestion of new ideas and made it incredibly difficult for anyone to come in and help do something positive. Ask yourself what has the NCMD done in the last 20 years to promote responsible detecting? It did more in the last 12 months than it did in the previous 20 - that tells you something.

I could go into details but unlike some of the regional reps who have taken to throwing personal insults I’m not because it isn’t worth it.

Let the NCMD concentrate on the Treasure Act amendments instead of this pathetic point scoring. The vast majority of members don’t care less about the internal politics but do care about the hobby. Time to draw a line and just move on.
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Metalurgy wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:55 am The executive is responsible for this situation
Just on that one - that is completely untrue. One individual is responsible for this situation - and he doesn’t sit on the executive ;)
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