104 Bengal Fusiliers Button and Backmark

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Firstly this is not a find of mine but by my new detecting partner.
Have been showing each other our finds, saw this button was Military and offered to do research.
Was given some more to look at, a couple i may need help with on a separate post.
Righty ho.
Firstly gave the button a liittle soft brushing to remove soil for photos, still has very bright Gilt which does not show in the photo.
Diameter 25mm.
This button self Id`d because as it says 104 Bengal Fusiliers that was a good starting point. Asked for an initial date guessed around 1850`s Indian munity etc.
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https://www.nam.ac.uk/explore/104th-reg ... -fusiliers
Main info from above:
Awarded Regiment number 104 in 1862, amalgamated in1881to become Royal Munster Fusiliers.
Checked out the button maker and stumbled across this info,
https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/c-smi ... ton-maker/

Two stories in one object.
Amazing what we can learn
Good Luck Everyone, :thumbsup:
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I do love that a great find. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

As for date you actually answered that yourself (slightly expanded information below)
It was renumbered as the 104th Regiment of Foot (Royal Bengal Fusiliers) on transfer from the Honourable East India Company to the British Army in September 1862.
On 1 July 1881 the Childers Reforms came into effect and the regiment amalgamated with the 101st Regiment of Foot (Royal Bengal Fusiliers) to form the Royal Munster Fusiliers.

So as it has both the number 104 and name Bengal Fusiliers it has to be between the dates above, (less than a 19 year span).

But during the 1860s the unit was in India, and the regiment embarked for England in 1871. It is possible that the button belonged to somebody that returned to the UK between 1862 and 1871. However its much more likely that the button belonged to a person that returned with the unit in 1871. So the button probably it dates to between 1871 and June 1881.

You mentioned the Indian Mutiny, the regiment gained Battle Honours during the Indian Mutiny at the Siege of Delhi in autumn 1857, but this was when it had the title 2nd Bengal (European) Fusiliers.

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Where was the button found?.

In 1871, on return from India it landed in England and was here until stationed in Ireland from 1877. It was still there in 1881, when it amalgamated with the 101st Regiment of Foot (Royal Bengal Fusiliers) - another former Bengal European unit - to form The Royal Munster Fusiliers.

So if button was in England the chances are it was from 1871 - 1877.
But if found in Ireland the chances are it was from 1877 - June 1881.


FYI: Four other line infantry regiments with the numeral 104 had been raised between 1761 and 1817. But the Bengal Fusiliers had no link to any of them.

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Great enhanced info, Evan.
Found near Ringwood, Hants.
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Dave The Slave wrote: Sat Jul 17, 2021 4:17 pm Great enhanced info, Evan.
Found near Ringwood, Hants.
Cheers, :thumbsup:
Dave.
Thanks.

So button has to be between September 1862 and June 1881, and a high probablility it is 1871 - 1877.

Its not that often you can narrow a military button down to such a short period.

There is good chance the dates the Regiment arrived back in England and departed for Ireland are available in at the national archives www.nationalarchives.gov.uk but I can not find them online. Could even be details of where they were stationed in England.

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Appreciate your time as usual , Evan.
Will do a bit more delving.
So far seems to be quite rare.
Cheers, :thumbsup:
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Lovely find and what an evocative name! It just oozes history!
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