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Pete E
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I went out on a club yesterday and although a nice day, the finds were a little slow...I found plenty of lead, some very small, several buttons and the usual assortment got toasted coppers.

The only two items of note were a silver love token and a small lead "mount"....I showed the later to one of the other members and he suggested a mount or a bridle boss type item, probably Victorian...

Once home, I decided to do a little research on the PAS database to see if I could get a better date, and by complete chance, found it was not a mount at all, but rather the handle of a tobacco jar lid, dating between 1650-1750...in fact I found an identical item (NLM-050CD5) on there so can only assume they were a common mass produced item.
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Nice finds! Assuming the amount of pewter handles found means they were used on an array of jars or boxes. Both around the same date too I note!
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Oxgirl wrote: Mon Aug 23, 2021 1:37 pm Assuming the amount of pewter handles found means they were used on an array of jars or boxes.
That thought crossed my mind too, but PAS does seem quite specific about them being off tobacco jar lids...Another entry described the "jar" as a lead box designed to stop the tobacco drying out....Will have to do a little more research on the subject....
Oxgirl wrote: Mon Aug 23, 2021 1:37 pm Both around the same date too I note!
Yes...the land we were on had a small Hall on there dating from the same period...a couple of hammered and a James I coined weight also came off plus the usual toasted George's so that period seems to be the time of the main occupation...
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I've found a few, a couple of them were attached to iron, they can't all be from tobacco jars.
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Easylife wrote: Mon Aug 23, 2021 7:18 pm I've found a few, a couple of them were attached to iron, they can't all be from tobacco jars.
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No idea: just going off what it says in PAS....

To confuse me further, I Googled "17th 18th Century Tobacco Jars" and none of the pics that came up on the first couple of pages showed any jars with handles like these lol....I will be seeing my FLO in mid September so I will have a chat with her about these....
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Pete E wrote: Mon Aug 23, 2021 7:40 pm No idea: just going off what it says in PAS....

To confuse me further, I Googled "17th 18th Century Tobacco Jars" and none of the pics that came up on the first couple of pages showed any jars with handles like these lol....I will be seeing my FLO in mid September so I will have a chat with her about these....
I had a look too, lots of tobacco jars but none with this so common handle style! :?
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"A number have been found with fragments of tin-plate/sheet-steel attached. This is inconsistent with use on a tobacco jar, as they were invariably of lead. It seems likely, therefore, that the handles were produced as stock items, which were fitted to the lids of a number of different types of domestic vessel."

I'll go along with that. :thumbsup:
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"Tobacco jar handle" for me = "gaming piece" or "hawking whistle", i.e. a catch-all term, invariably incorrect. These finials will have been used for all sorts of things, and while the PAS database is a fab resource there are mistakes. As it continues to evolve these errors and assumptions are being erradicated but the plain fact is we'll probably never know what these finials came off.
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