We May Have Found "Who The Heck Is Annie"

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A follow up to my previous post "Who The heck Is Annie"
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Very good follow up post.
Saffron is amazing with his Genealogy skills.
Good idea having an interesting artifact from a neighbouring property, local knowledge is interesting to them and that gets them thinking who, what, where, why for their land.
Cheers, :thumbsup:
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Wow, where to start!
First of all great post, and brilliant write up :thumbsup:
Saffron for his excellent research :thumbsup:
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A valuable lesson to us all that we should never judge books by their covers or others opinions of them
Great result with the new permission, and brilliant opening gambit to secure it.

Its funny how something like this can spiral into a tonne of information and almost certainly nailing down names after so many years :clapping: :clapping:
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A great write up and a great result. :thumbsup:
My philosophy is that if you don't ask you don't get, so there's nothing at all to lose! Though even if outside of your comfort zone just keep it together and get that permission regardless. :D
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Loved that post :Star: I’m really pleased Annie brought you so much luck. Sounds like she enjoys your company and is happy to help out. I’d bring her with you detecting - you never know what other good luck she throws your way.

Surely there must be some Victorian maps that might be able yo help in finding the house? Or the local Facebook groups usually love this kind of mystery. You’d be surprised how much historical knowledge exists in the local population :Party:
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keyfits wrote: Sat Sep 25, 2021 2:04 pm Annie Midgely who moved with her family from Cheshire to Borwick House in Lancashire, then either moved to or possibly changed the house name to Midgely Cottage again recorded by census in the same area of Lancashire just 2 miles up the road from the coin finds site.

......In my attempt to try and locate Borwick House or Midgely Cottage I visited the Village where Annie used to live and asked around, unfortunately to date my search for Annie's Home has not yet been successful.
It shouldn't be much of a problem to locate either as the Census was recorded from door to door in order, so just look at the property addresses before and after those. :thumbsup:
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Thanks for your suggestion. The only problem is that when doing some research on the properties I found that apparently a lot of the old houses on the road where Annie lived were demolished in the early 1990s. I did visit the local post office which is actually in the same road but the post master is fairly new to the area so did not know anything about Annie's House!!!. You never know, surely I will come across someone who has good local knowledge who could shed some light on the subject.
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Oxgirl wrote: Sat Sep 25, 2021 7:32 pm Loved that post :Star: I’m really pleased Annie brought you so much luck. Sounds like she enjoys your company and is happy to help out. I’d bring her with you detecting - you never know what other good luck she throws your way.

Surely there must be some Victorian maps that might be able yo help in finding the house? Or the local Facebook groups usually love this kind of mystery. You’d be surprised how much historical knowledge exists in the local population :Party:
Yes, it sounds a good idea to take Annie detecting and I might just give the locals another try at some stage.

Thanks for your suggestions
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Easylife wrote: Sat Sep 25, 2021 7:27 pm A great write up and a great result. :thumbsup:
My philosophy is that if you don't ask you don't get, so there's nothing at all to lose! Though even if outside of your comfort zone just keep it together and get that permission regardless. :D
I agree with your philosophy but you always get that tension of a no if it is a permission that you have been looking at and you have done research on the land and revealed some really interesting past history!!! You have to just take it on the chin and move on and maybe try again at a later date with a different strategy the next time you make your presentation for that permission.

The way I think about it is I am doing the landowner a favour by finding history on their land that otherwise they would not have know about, that way you feel more in control than awkward. Landowners do not generally get to much time to socialise due to the long hours they work so most of them enjoy a conversation which is why you need to give them something to talk about like Annie.
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Dave The Slave wrote: Sat Sep 25, 2021 2:26 pm Very good follow up post.
Saffron is amazing with his Genealogy skills.
Good idea having an interesting artifact from a neighbouring property, local knowledge is interesting to them and that gets them thinking who, what, where, why for their land.
Cheers, :thumbsup:
Dave.
It works for me but I am sure others have their own methods of getting permissions that work just as well, it may help those who find it a bit difficult as it is not easy and can be a bit daunting if you are not use to it, practice makes perfect the more you try the easier it will get.
Thanks for your input
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I openly admit that this was one of my "stranger" bits of research where all I had was a first given name :shock:
But you know me, I like something I can get my teeth into and this was one of those.

When I started I thought the chances of success were at best limited, (and that was being optimistic!), but fortunately Keyfits was able to give me a bit more information that he (rightly) has not posted on here, so it increased my chances.

There were a fair few hours spent on this, and I can assure you that deciding that Annie Midgley was probably "our Annie" was based on more than just the name. Obviously we can never be 100% certain, but I am confident that she is the best option.

As keyfits found the Victorian purse clasp in the same field just a short distance from where he found the Annie Victoria threepence it makes you wonder if she dropped the purse with the engraved 3d in it and over the years with ploughing they became seperated.

But what I fail to understand is how I did the research and as a result Keyfits gained two permissions that look very promising!. I think I deserve a break "up north" with a days detecting :D

But seriously well done to Keyfits on using items like this to get the extra permissions. I look forward to seeing what he finds.

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Oxgirl wrote: Sat Sep 25, 2021 7:32 pm <cut>
Surely there must be some Victorian maps that might be able you help in finding the house?
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I thought exactly that and was confident that a quick look at the NLS old OS 6" maps would reveal the location :thumbsup: ... although I looked at several maps it did not :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown:

My gut feeling is that although "Borwick House" sounds rather grand (in which case it would have been named on a map) that it was not as large as suggested.

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Easylife wrote: Sat Sep 25, 2021 7:55 pm It shouldn't be much of a problem to locate either as the Census was recorded from door to door in order, so just look at the property addresses before and after those. :thumbsup:
Easylife I am fully aware of how a census is taken .... having done both family history and local history research for all the years I have, including working with professional researchers, I should be!.

It works perfectly well in a "street" setting, eg nr 1, nr 2, nr 3, Borwick House, nr 5.
But with a rural setting and several small side roads it is not always possible to work out the EXACT route that the enumerator took when several houses are not named or the name is nolonger valid.

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Saffron wrote: Sat Sep 25, 2021 10:33 pm Easylife I am fully aware of how a census is taken .... having done both family history and local history research for all the years I have, including working with professional researchers, I should be!.

It works perfectly well in a "street" setting, eg nr 1, nr 2, nr 3, Borwick House, nr 5.
But with a rural setting and several small side roads it is not always possible to work out the EXACT route that the enumerator took when several houses are not named or the name is nolonger valid.

Evan
Correct, but in this case the route taken is quite clear apart from when the enumerator actually did the last bit of xxx Lane (name removed at OP's request) where I would expect Borwick House to have been and that fits very well. :thumbsup:

But to single out a particular person from just a very common first name is extremely speculative and that is all it can ever be. Still it makes for a good story and has gained further permissions so a result in that way. :thumbsup:
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Flesh on the bones of a find and a couple of new permissions to boot. Well done to both you and Evan and thanks for sharing the story,

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