Lead weight with copper alloy core

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I found this item yesterday when gridding an area where I’d previously found a broken rear end off a BA palstave axe hoping to find the front end.
I changed from my normal Tinner program to a modified hot program to get some more depth.I also ran it at 4khz and boosted.
Bearing in mind I’d gridded this area previously, several deep items showed themselves, so this set up certainly did the trick. No sign of the remaining axe though. :?

This being one of them at about 12-13” deep on pasture.
It’s a purposely made lead item, and I suspect it’s a weight. Is it normal to have a copper alloy core / inclusion. At first I thought it may have been a coin embedded in, but I don’t think it is. There is no obvious suspension mounting and it weights 9.5oz.
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Interesting, I do like that. It looks like a weight of sorts, maybe repurposed? I wonder if the copper rod was sawn off?
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I’m not sure if this shows it clearly, but it’s not a rod, you can see underneath the edges - could be like a rivet and the visible bit it the head?
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I know what that is - it’s an early medieval trade weight with an embedded coin. I think they are often viking/ Scandinavian ones. I’ll find an example.

Superb find :Star:
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Here you go… https://finds.org.uk/database/artefacts ... /id/429817

There are a few different examples on the PAS database :thumbsup:
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Well that’s interesting, we’ll spotted Cath :thumbsup:
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Great ID Cath...I would never have thought of that in a month of Sundays....
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Pete E wrote: Mon Nov 01, 2021 12:29 pm Great ID Cath...I would never have thought of that in a month of Sundays....
I saw one on Twitter a few months ago and was fascinated. Never seen one found on Facebook or a forum though. I wonder how many are just dismissed as nothing important when the coin is corroded :Thinking: Good examples (see the link above) are obvious but many aren’t.
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Oxgirl wrote: Mon Nov 01, 2021 12:25 pm Here you go… https://finds.org.uk/database/artefacts ... /id/429817

There are a few different examples on the PAS database :thumbsup:
Best put the blow-torch away then :lol:
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Oxgirl wrote: Mon Nov 01, 2021 12:33 pm I wonder how many are just dismissed as nothing important when the coin is corroded :Thinking: Good examples (see the link above) are obvious but many aren’t.
Yes, I confess had I found it, my first thoughts would have been Victorian scrap; I like to think I would have posted it here though due to that copper insert....
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shaggybfc wrote: Mon Nov 01, 2021 12:47 pm Best put the blow-torch away then :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Oxgirl wrote: Mon Nov 01, 2021 12:25 pm Here you go… https://finds.org.uk/database/artefacts ... /id/429817

There are a few different examples on the PAS database :thumbsup:
Thanks OG for the ID and link. Interesting one on the PAS. Mine would be almost 10 time the weight at 9.5oz and the 'coin' is appropriately 15mm in diameter. I know weights get handed down and repurposed over the years, but a Scandinavian one in rural Warwickshire would be nice :thumbsup:

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Well found Shaggy. It shows what a difference changing a programme can make.

Great ID Oxgirl.

I suspect a lot of detectorists would have binned this, it shows that if something is "different" it can be worth posting to get an ID. OK in many cases it will turn out to be rubbish, but it just might be something a bit special like this.

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Does anybody know why coins were embedded into weights like this? I wonder if it was in lieu of an official stamp on the base?
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shaggybfc wrote: Mon Nov 01, 2021 12:47 pm Best put the blow-torch away then :lol:
I bet the other side of the coin is well preserved! ;)
Nice find. :thumbsup:
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