too big for a bead too small for a ring...?

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Evening All,

Cor! managed a couple hours over the dreaded Hertfordshire stubble and felt like packing in after about 7 mins i know what it might feel like to detect the Sahara now - but I soldiered on until like Kenneth Williams in "Carry on Follow that Camel" (or whichever character it was... my memory of that great and splendid film is a little hazy...!) I literally collapsed back in to camp!

... and with not much to mention in dispatches apart from this which certainly made my day... it feels old; I have found a few similar but smaller ones but not one of this size... inside diameter is 13mm so just fits on the end of my pinky.

Its bi-conical and smooth on the inside and bronze (copper alloy) but more brownish than green - any knowledge much appreciated and ta in advance.

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Looks like a plumbing olive to me. :shock:
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Bors wrote: Sat Aug 08, 2020 7:45 pm Looks like a plumbing olive to me. :shock:
could be... it just feels a bit more ancient than that....!
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If the inside diameter of your object is 13mm then it cant be a modern olive as the pipe fitting similar to that size is 15mm pipe
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Before us pipe stranglers went metric we used 1/2 inch copper pipe, which would end up with a 13mm internal diameter of any olives used (12.7mm to be exact, so a gnats whisker)

It does look a bit crude for anything decorative, so sadly i would also plump for the practical use for it :thumbdown:
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Blackadder43 wrote: Sat Aug 08, 2020 8:20 pm If the inside diameter of your object is 13mm then it can't be a modern olive as the pipe fitting similar to that size is 15mm pipe.
Agreed, nor an older one either. It is just not a pipe fitting olive. :thumbsup:
Blackadder43 wrote: Sat Aug 08, 2020 8:20 pm Before us pipe stranglers went metric we used 1/2 inch copper pipe, which would end up with a 13mm internal diameter of any olives used (12.7mm to be exact, so a gnats whisker)
Not true, both 1/2" and 15mm copper pipe both have the same outer diameter. 1/2" pipe was measured internally and 15mm externally. :thumbsup:
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Don’t forget to take into account the span in history when commoners weren’t allowed gold or couldn’t afford it. (Can’t remember the dates but did read it somewhere)

It was quite common for rings to be made of base materials. The best give away would have been a pattern but not all were that sophisticated.
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It could be a large bead of possibly Iron age? :Thinking:
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Easylife wrote: Sun Aug 09, 2020 11:27 am It could be a large bead of possibly Iron age? :Thinking:
Well that’s what I was hoping but you’ve all put me off now!!! It’s not straight inside either but very very slightly convex.... oh well, I’ll just have to keep the next two bits of piping I find...
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HolzHammer wrote: Sun Aug 09, 2020 7:13 pm Well that’s what I was hoping but you’ve all put me off now!!! It’s not straight inside either but very very slightly convex.... oh well, I’ll just have to keep the next two bits of piping I find...
I wouldnt listen to me if i were you :lol:
As easylife has shown i dont know what i'm waffling on about fella
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(In my defence i got mixed up with 1/2 to 15mm which is the same ish, what i was thinking in my head was the 3/4 to 22mm which doesnt fit the same, my bad and apologies)
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HolzHammer wrote: Sun Aug 09, 2020 7:13 pm Well that’s what I was hoping but you’ve all put me off now!!! It’s not straight inside either but very very slightly convex.... oh well, I’ll just have to keep the next two bits of piping I find...
Ignore them all - that looks like a something to me :D
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The simplest answer would be, to clean it up with a Dremel . My monies on Brass :thumbsup:
It looks too perfectly formed to be IA and I think its machine made .
Scrub all the gunge off it and polish it up. I think it'll turn yellow .Its got from what appears to be greenish flecks on the top rim poking through and that I think suggests a good chance of being brass to way my thinking.
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Bors wrote: Sun Aug 09, 2020 9:58 pm The simplest answer would be, to clean it up with a Dremel . My monies on Brass :thumbsup:
It looks too perfectly formed to be IA and I think its machine made .
Scrub all the gunge off it and polish it up. I think it'll turn yellow .Its got from what appears to be greenish flecks on the top rim poking through and that I think suggests a good chance of being brass to way my thinking.
With all respect Bors, just in case it isn't brass and modern i think its best not to start attacking with a Dremel!!!!!! I haven't your wealth of experience but have found enough early stuff for me to let the patina on this one guide me a bit and its got the pitting i associate with earlier bronze and copper alloy.... its very uneven and doesn't feel at all machine made to me - I am prepared to accept its modern rubbish but will just hold on for a bit before i resort to drastic measures!
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No worries, it was just a suggestion :D :thumbsup:
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