Ampulla - I'd by Mr.A

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I was sorting through the "must chuck it all out sometime" pile separating out the lead from toasted coins and hundreds of blank buttons and this piece made me think twice. So before it goes in to the "weighing in" bucket I thought I would ask The Hub massif for a point of view.

I did wonder if it might be an ampulla although I think that's wishful thinking. At some point it was hollow and now squashed.

Thanks for the help,

Chris
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Pilgrim's ampulla.

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Allectus wrote: Sun Aug 09, 2020 5:06 pm Pilgrim's ampulla.

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Thanks Tony. You having a bad day .... took all of about 4 microseconds :lol:
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Are both sides plain, DtP?
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figgis wrote: Sun Aug 09, 2020 5:29 pm Are both sides plain, DtP?
Yes. In the picture above there is a small folded piece on the left hand side which I assume was once a loop.
Does plain make a difference?
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Yes, they did have a loop on either side for suspending from a belt.

Most of those I've seen have had one or both sides decorated (the classic "scallop" design is common), and of the three I've found only one has a plain back. Maybe it has something to do with age, i.e. the older the plainer? Dunno, but worth finding out :thumbsup:
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figgis wrote: Sun Aug 09, 2020 5:38 pm Dunno, but worth finding out :thumbsup:
Well it was saved from the plough and now saved from the scrap bin! I'm seeing the FLO on Wednesday so I'll see what he has to say and report back.

It's a first for me so I'm pleased. This morning on the barley stubble was just hot and unrewarding. I was hoping for a Lizzie sixpence to impress Allectus with my newly acquired coin knowledge, but no luck. Then if you look at the "superstition thread" I recently said my best finds seem to come at the end of the session - the session ended in my garage :shock: This is all getting a little too odd - need more alcohol :thumbsup:
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Lucky thing, I’ve still never found one :(
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DaveP wrote: Sun Aug 09, 2020 5:46 pm need more alcohol
Thought you'd never ask. :D

Be interested to hear what the FLO has in mind regarding date :thumbsup:
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I'll have a stab at late 14th/early 15th century. I've found several of these little jokers.....of varying size and style (religious lot hereabouts) .

I am always pleased to see these pop up because so far it has meant that there is a disappeared farm/ house very close by. Without exception they have been in the home ground...the bit of pasture/orchard which encompasses the house and other main farm buildings. So within say a 30 yard radius of the main building. (This pattern has repeated 6 times so far so I am confident it is not coincidence.)
Lovely to find in themselves of course but also a good tell for other old finds.
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Thats another thing I`ve never had me find.
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figgis wrote: Sun Aug 09, 2020 5:56 pm Thought you'd never ask. :D

Be interested to hear what the FLO has in mind regarding date :thumbsup:
If you are near Guildford any time let me know and I'll buy you a beer .... or three :thumbsup:

And, from the FLO "The quality of the ampulla is probably more related to the poverty of the owner rather than the date – these are all generally late 12th to early 14th century, but they are difficult to date more closely than that without a precise attribution to a shrine."
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DaveP wrote: Mon Aug 10, 2020 5:35 pm If you are near Guildford any time let me know and I'll buy you a beer .... or three :thumbsup:
Beer? Oh well, it'll do at a pinch :lol:
DaveP wrote: Mon Aug 10, 2020 5:35 pm And, from the FLO "The quality of the ampulla is probably more related to the poverty of the owner rather than the date – these are all generally late 12th to early 14th century, but they are difficult to date more closely than that without a precise attribution to a shrine."
That makes a certain sense. I would have thought the church ordered in batches of these things to flog to the faithful but maybe there was a tier system:
Blank both sides: a farthing and your warty things won't heal entirely but will ooze less. Probably.
Decorated one side: a ha'penny and the warts will heal but leave an unsightly scar.
Decorated both sides: A penny and a good choice, sir/madam. Warts? What warts? A thing of the past, I can assure you. Now, might I interest sir/madam in these particularly fine ribs, certified as being genuine Egbert? A snip at a half groat and guaranteed to cure any pox you can mention/cure blindness/get things going in the trousers/skirts/smock.
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[quote=figgis post_id=4363 time=1597083805 user_id=50]

Beer? Oh well, it'll do at a pinch :lol:

I was going to push the boat out and go for a smidgen.

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We'll never know what happened back then

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:lol: :thumbsup:
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