Lead seal/token/unknown

Emily · Sun Sep 13, 2020 9:23 pm

Good evening all,

I am currently on holiday in a lovely 17th Stewards House in Northumberland with my family. The owners gave me permission for some of their land and this came up today. I haven’t found anything like it before and am not sure what it is.

The ‘front’ seems to have initials on it, and the ‘back’ appears to have a set of scales on it....??

Found with my Deus Orx around 4” down. What do you all think??

Ladybird66 · Sun Sep 13, 2020 9:37 pm

It’s definitely weird Emily. Looks like someone’s tried out a seal in a lump of lead.
I haven’t a clue but hope some else might have some ideas for you.
I like Finds like that, a bit of a mystery to solve and probably unique

Sun Sep 13, 2020 9:49 pm

Any sign of it having a string through it? It definitely has the whiff of a bag seal to me. Very nice find

Mon Sep 14, 2020 6:18 am

Whatever it is, it's been double-struck. I'm seeing "WM(-) & Co".

Emily · Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:27 am

Oxgirl wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 9:49 pm Any sign of it having a string through it? It definitely has the whiff of a bag seal to me. Very nice find

I don’t think so. Other than those two lines on the left hand edge there aren’t any punctures of any kind. It looks like it’s been double struck on both sides, so really odd. What sort of date do you think it could be??

Emily · Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:28 am

figgis wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 6:18 am Whatever it is, it's been double-struck. I'm seeing "WM(-) & Co".

Thank you. Yes, it’s been double struck in both sides. Really odd. I wish it was clearer.

Emily · Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:29 am

Ladybird66 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 9:37 pm It’s definitely weird Emily. Looks like someone’s tried out a seal in a lump of lead.
I haven’t a clue but hope some else might have some ideas for you.
I like Finds like that, a bit of a mystery to solve and probably unique

Thank you. Yes, I like a mystery too, but I’m not sure there’s enough information to work it out.

Emily · Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:39 am

figgis wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 6:18 am Whatever it is, it's been double-struck. I'm seeing "WM(-) & Co".

Are they quite common finds?? Something so show the local FLO or is it not old enough??

Steve_JT · Mon Sep 14, 2020 9:33 am

I wonder if it’s been re-struck after Sending back for re-use if a seal
OR
It’s quite large so could it be a local token?

Interesting find though

Regards Steve

StuE · Mon Sep 14, 2020 9:37 am

A bag seal but one I have not seen before. I have put it on the Gallery if that's ok Emily. Often people will supply more details at a later date. Could I have the diameter in mm please? - http://www.bagseals.org/gallery/main.ph ... emId=37832

Emily · Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:05 am

StuE wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 9:37 am A bag seal but one I have not seen before. I have put it on the Gallery if that's ok Emily. Often people will supply more details at a later date. Could I have the diameter in mm please? - http://www.bagseals.org/gallery/main.ph ... emId=37832

That’s absolutely fine.

it’s 27mm.

Emily · Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:09 am

Steve_JT wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 9:33 am I wonder if it’s been re-struck after Sending back for re-use if a seal
OR
It’s quite large so could it be a local token?

Interesting find though

Regards Steve

I didn’t realise they were usually smaller.

I’ve tried to do some research, but I don’t know what age it is to narrow it down.

Ladybird66 · Mon Sep 14, 2020 9:14 pm

Didn’t someone find a cloth seal last week ? Can’t remember who but someone else asked if he could include the pic in his collection.
All I can remember is I commented ‘ crowns & castles ‘ wonder if he might have any ideas about it.

Sorry to be vague, grey matter & all that !

Pete E · Mon Sep 14, 2020 9:32 pm

Ladybird66 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 9:14 pm Didn’t someone find a cloth seal last week ? Can’t remember who but someone else asked if he could include the pic in his collection.
All I can remember is I commented ‘ crowns & castles ‘ wonder if he might have any ideas about it.

Sorry to be vague, grey matter & all that !

I found a small lead "something" that could possibly have been a seal of sorts and Stu kindly hosted it on his site...

Ladybird66 · Mon Sep 14, 2020 9:41 pm

Pete E wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 9:32 pm I found a small lead "something" that could possibly have been a seal of sorts and Stu kindly hosted it on his site...

Ah ! Yes, that was the one. What do you reckon to Stu having a look at Emily’s find ?